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Poster: Mooding Date: Aug 26, 2012 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

Listening through the Gaelic Park show today, I could swear that I heard a nascent Mind Left Body jam at roughly 5 min into the first part of the Not Fade Away (4:52 - 5:33 really).

Give it a listen and let us know what you think. We already know that 3/5/72 contains the first true MLB (inside the Good Lovin') but I feel like this is clearly an earlier toying with the idea. I wouldn't count this as the first, but could swear it's there.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 26, 2012 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

I don't think it's really an MLB tease...close though. I hear it more as a spontaneous pause on the way to GDTRFB. In that period, sometimes they'd quiet down for a bit in that transition; for instance compare 8/4 and 8/14/71, though they're not totally equivalent. (On 7/31 the Dead do throw in an unmistakable Darkness tease after the GDTRFB outro, though.)

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Poster: Mooding Date: Aug 26, 2012 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

Oh sure, plenty of examples of that quieter, slower transition from NFA to GDTRFB across '71 etc. I've referring to the actual notes played as opposed to how they're played. As 'just a drummer,' I don't have the musical vocabulary to describe the chord changes but some of you do.

And though you've posted an extensive history on the matter (THANKS!), I'll still assert that at minimum from 5:07-5:25 the MLB notion is evident - certainly not enough to be considered a 'jam' IMHO, but I believe it to be foreshadowing. Plus there's Billy's 'gallop' beginning at 5:17 playing into it perfectly.

Your great post above even says of the MLB jam "Most of the times it was played, Garcia's delicate slide playing resembled the Goin' Down the Road instrumental..."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 26, 2012 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

There is a similar notion here...I just happen to think it's coincidental. For instance, the MLB jam is 4 descending chords, and here it sounds like 3 chords to me, with only the first 2 matching the traditional MLB steps. But it would take more skilled chord-spotters to tell for sure.

Funny, though - there aren't many bands where many people would debate over the identity of a 30-second musical passage in a cover-song medley!

A few years ago there was a little discussion over the identity of a little 2-minute jam in the middle of the 8/14/71 Other One...
http://archive.org/post/249534/tighten-up-jam-august-71almost
One of my own favorite discoveries was a little 40-second tuning jam from 12/1/71 which turned out to resemble a famous '72 jam...
http://archive.org/post/292864/a-little-jam

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Poster: cd bodhi Date: Aug 27, 2012 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

One of my favorite "little jams" also occurs in that 8/26/71 show.
At about the 6 min. mark in Good Lovin' everyone slows it down. Jerry lays back (almost sounds like he's tuning!?) and Bob's prominent. Phil is thumping out incredible line after line. Jerry picks it up at 6:29 and just soars, beautifully, until Bob brings it back to GL and earth at 7:17.
I'm pretty sure I have heard this theme in other Good Lovin's of the era but never this fully developed (ha-ha). About 45 seconds of bliss that, over the years, I've probably listened to for hours.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 27, 2012 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

It is an unusual Good Lovin' for the year (unique intro, no drum solo, jam kept short).
The last minute of the jam reminds me of a similar moment in the 4/25/71 Good Lovin'. Here, when he lays back Jerry isn't tuning, just lightly playing 2 chords - the way Phil bounces off it, it's very similar to the GDTRFB outro they played that year.
But the climax really resonates for Dead listeners because the melody line Jerry then plays is exactly the same as "across the Rio Grandi-o" - which wouldn't be written for another year!
Weir really botches it when he jerks them back to the Good Lovin' chords at that point.

My own favorite part comes near the start of the jam - they're a bit slow to start, then around 2:45-3:00 Jerry repeats this fast little lick about 16 times in a row, and the band really gets going. Jerry in fast-forward! Not an uncommon technique of his; it makes the music sound like it's spinning.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 28, 2012 12:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

When did they stop allowing you to view and download the txt files for the soundboards? I haven't been visiting the GD section here at the LMA as much lately.

Sorry, nothing really substantially related to the discussion, I just noticed the new limitations and wanted to say that I think it's ass.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 28, 2012 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

Happened a few months ago; I've never spotted an explanation. It is quite annoying, but as others have mentioned, there are workarounds to get the text files.
http://archive.org/post/419156/grateful-dead-info-files

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Aug 28, 2012 4:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

since it's nothing really substantially related to the discussion, I'll weigh in..I noticed that too. So I just go to LL or bt.etree, find the same SB source and copy/paste it to a new txt file. Yes, it is a pain in the arse

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Aug 28, 2012 5:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

Here's an easier method.

Take the URL for any sbd show. Replace the word "details" with "download."

You'll find more than just the text files. Shhhhhhhh.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2012-08-28 12:04:05

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 28, 2012 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH '71 Mind Left Body hints?

Yeah, I know, the "back door." I've known about it since 2005, I think everybody does, probably no need to "shhhh."

But thank you, though, despite my knowledge I didn't even think of trying the "details/download" thing. I was just more surprised that you can't access the non-musical content. It's especially helpful for topping off torrents. Yeah I can get the info elsewhere, I still just don't get why they removed all that stuff. Guess I'll read that old thread from April.